How To Select The Best Cities For Digital Nomads – Podcast 003

In this episode B and Jack discuss the key things to look for to choose the best cities for digital nomads. This is what is called within their Digital Nomad Life System the Base Selection step.

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1. Summary

1.1. The topic of and its location within the broader Digital Nomad Life System [2:03]

    • Digital nomads need to choose where their bases will be. We also call this process base selection.
    • A base can be simply understood as a temporary home of a digital nomad.
    • The base selection can be understood as the process in which a nomad selects his base based on a criterion that takes into account four main aspects of cities. These are work, social, logistical, and personal. Each of these aspects has a number of items to be evaluated. In other words, base selection is the process of assessing if a city has beneficial characteristics to be your next base. By following this criteria you will be able to select the best cities for digital nomads
    • The Digital Nomad Life System is a 6-step system created by us at Nomad Tactics that aims to explain how someone can go from living a non-nomadic normal life to living an optimized digital nomad life.
    • Choosing a base is a topic within the second step, Base Pre-Preplanning, of the Digital Nomad Life System.
    • To have a general overview of the Digital Nomad Life System you should listen to this episode

1.2. Caveats about how to select the best cities for digital nomads[3:30]

    • The items listed in the criterion are not classified in a hierarchical order of importance.
    • There is surely a degree of subjective preference in this list. Therefore, you might think one item of the criteria is more important to you as a nomad than another item. Take that into consideration. In the end the best cities for digital nomads in only a vague idea. You should select the best city for you.
    • Digital Nomads usually assessing and comparing more than one possible base. The location that best fits the criterion will be the chosen one.
    • There will be podcast episodes that will better explain many of the topics in the criterion, the episode today should be only seen as an overview.
    • Likely, no city that you are considering to be your new base will perfectly fit all the items in the criteria. Therefore, you should only use this criterion as a sort of reference. As a digital nomad, you should be happy with a city that fits the criterion well-enough rather than perfectly

1.3. The criteria for how to select the best cities for digital nomads [7:08]

    • Logistical [7:08]
      • Cost
        • You should research how expensive it is to live in a city.
        • You should always prefer cheaper cities
        • Southeast Asia and Central America are cheaper places to live, thus a common choice for digital nomads
      • Visa policy
        • You should research the visa policy of the country in which the new possible base is located by taking into account the passport you hold
        • You should always prefer places that are visa-free since then you do not need to deal with the hustle of getting a visa (unless we are talking about an easy e-visa or visa on arrival). Also, there are a great deal of good visa-free places to go, so there is no point bothering with places that are not visa-free
        • You should also consider if it will be necessary for you to do a visa run in order to stay in the base the time in which you intend to stay.
      • Safety
        • Check how safe it is the country in which the new possible base is located
        • You should naturally prefer safer places
        • Even though you might think you are street-smart, or you do not care about how dangerous a place is, you will not be able to be productive in your day-to-day life if you have safety as an issue
        • As a rule of thumb developed countries tend to be safe. Southeast Asia is somewhat an exception to the rule.
      • English spoken
        • You should check how well is the English spoken in the base
        • Keep in mind that there might be a big difference in the English spoken in the same country depending on the city you stay on
        • English is still the international language
        • You should prefer countries with better English.
        • The reason for that is because in order for you to have an effortless day-to-day life you need to be able to communicate with others effectively.
      • Weather
        • You should check the weather from the new possible base, especially in terms of how much it rains and the temperature
        • You should look for places that have comfortable weather (i.e. 10 to 30 degrees Celsius) and with little rain
        • Even though you think you can handle different types of weather, your life will not be as productive as it could be if you need to deal with extreme weather on a day-to-day basis for months.
    • Work [17:28]
      • Internet speed
        • You should check the average Internet speed on the new base
        • You should always prefer cities that have, overall, good Internet speed
        • This is a little context-sensitive in terms of the type of work you do as a digital nomad. If you do video-based work perhaps you will need better Internet speeds than someone that only works with text for example
      • Co-working spaces
        • You should check if the city offers a good range of co-working spaces
        • You should naturally prefer cities that offer a good range of working spaces (unless you do not enjoy using those spaces)
          • Cities that are popular for digital nomads and metropolises tend to offer more coworking options
    • Social [22:15]
      • Digital nomad community
        • You should check if there is a big digital nomad community in the new possible base
        • You should naturally prefer places that have a big digital nomad community
        • Having a digital nomad community is beneficial because those communities are generally a good environment to make friends and business connections
      • Friends
        • Check if any of your friends are living in the new possible base
        • Always prefer cities in which you already have friends living there
        • The two main advantages of already having friends in a new base are that you will get insider tips as well as help setting in. Also, you will need to spend less time creating a social circle in the new base since you will already have one from the get-go.
      • Nightlife
        • Check if the new possible base has a good nightlife
        • If you are into nightlife you should generally prefer places with a great quantity and quality of clubs and bars
        • Keep in mind that nightlife is a little bit seasonal. Thus, a place might have a great nightlife scene in summer but nothing at all in the winter.
      • Romantic interest
        • Consider the type of romantic prospects you are likely to encounter in the new possible base
        • If you are single you should naturally prefer places in which you think you can find more romantic prospects that fit the type you like
    • Personal [27:35]
      • Lifestyle
        • Consider the lifestyle that the new possible base has to offer
        • You should always prefer places that can offer a lifestyle that somewhat fit the type of lifestyle you like
        • For instance, if you are more of a big city person it makes sense for you to look for a possible base that offers a good urban infrastructure. On the other hand, if you are more of a natural and beach person it makes sense for you to prefer smaller cities or cities along the coastline.
      • Interest in the country
        • Consider the culture of the country in which the new base is located
        • You should naturally choose cities in which you find the culture interesting
        • You cannot forget that you are a traveler after all and that besides remote working and developing in other areas of life, you should also enjoy and be interested in the things you see in the new base

2. Transcript

Mr. B: Hey hello welcome to the nomad tactics podcast here provide life optimizing tips and systems for digital nomads. I'm your host B. And I'm joined with the co host Jack. Today's our third episode and the topic today is "how can you select a good base as a digital nomad" I would start with a quick summary of the episode first we will talk about in which step of our digital nomad life system this topic would better fit in.

After that we gonna talk about some general considerations off the topic.And third we gonna talk about the actual criteria of how you can select a good base as a digital nomad what are the things you should look for, I hope you enjoy the episode.
Jack: So so the topic of today is how to select a base. So I I think it'll be fine good for the audience to recap what is a base.
Mr. B: Oh yes so a base it's not a fancy term is just the way the digital nomad calls their homes, their temporary homes. So usually a digital nomad would say Chiang Mai is my base now. So you might have different bases throughout the year, but usually does their temporary homes. You know what I mean?
Jack: So you live there for a while basically. It could be a cave in the mountain in the Himalayas.
Mr. B: That would be a good Airbnb property I guess
Jack: And so so if you are the new listener and you don't know about Nomad Tactis. We have a system called digital normal life system.
Mr. B: That's right.
Jack: And this is how to select a bass under the 6-step system we have.
Mr. B: Yes.
Jack: This is the second steps.
Mr. B: Yes so as you said we have this system we called the digital nomad life system which basically it's a road map for how you can transition from having a normal stable nine to five life into a fully optimized digital nomad life. And we divide into six steps as you said the second step of the system is where this topic would better fit in.
Jack: I see
Mr. B: The second step of the system is what we call base pre-planning and based pre-planning simply means when you are selecting the main variables to do with your base. And one of these variables will be where will you live, where we will your next base be, you know what I mean? So that's basically the topic today we're gonna talk about how can you select a good base as a digital nomad what makes a good base?
Jack: So if you want to know more about this digital nomad life system you can always go to the second episode of our podcast.
Mr. B: We give an overview there.
Jack: Yeah so.
Jack: Know before you go into the base election I'm sure tou have some observation wanna make about how to make this selection as most accurately and most precise as possible like one of theobservation have here is the items with a stint in this episode are not in a hierarchical order.
Mr. B: So yeah just a quick recap. So the topic today basically we came up with the criteria for things that a digital nomads should look for when he selecting a base. And this criteria is further broken down into certain categories that we will talk about as you just said I don't think there is any hierarchical order in this criteria so I'm not saying that one thing is more important than other at least objectively.
Mr. B: It's a matter of you as a digital nomad knowing your situation knowing your own preferences and kind of having keeping those at mind. In order to prioritize yourself what you consider more or less. So you're basically just giving you the factors to consider and it's your job to think this is more relevant to me this is less relevant to me, so I should care less about something like that.
Jack: So this is something based quite heavily on the personal taste of what kind of base you like
Mr. B: Yeah I I I wouldn't say everything I think certain things are kind of universally applicable or the things everybody gonna kind of consider.
Jack: But see the thing there's a universal standard and it's a certain thing that...
Mr. B: Cost everybody consider cost a certain extent. Maybe if you're super rich you're going to disregard we got but let's say ninety percent of people. But other things such as a digital nomad community, some people might say look I don't really like to hang around with digital nomads I prefer to hang around with locals. Therefore the existence or lack of existence of a digital nomad community in a given city is kind of irrelevant factor.
Jack: I see so yeah of course social is is one of the criteria we're gonna talk about in the base selection.
Mr. B: And just one point I would like to make before we go into the actual criteria is the following, look we're gonna talk about a lot of factors and you're probably going to be considering more than one city when you're going over the criteria I think a good thing to do is to like pick two or three and compare and contrast them, but keep in mind no city will perfectly fit the criteria just use this as a reference consider those things but
Jack: like a checklist.
Mr. B: Yeah but what I'm trying to say is that no city probably will check all the boxes in the checklist yeah so you know when you have found something good enough and settle for that.
Jack: This is so let's say you really like London.
Mr. B: Yes.
Jack: And I'm pretty sure you check a lot of boxes.
Mr. B: Yes.
Jack: And they allowed on size of course like the cost is extremely high in London and is it a good example of something...
Mr. B: Good enough you're not going to fit everything but maybe compared to the other two options that I'm considering that say Paris and I don't know Bucharest.
Jack: Yes I understand what you're saying so let's go through the overview of the base selection criteria. As far as I understand this criteria has four categories.
Mr. B: Yeah.
Jack: Which are logistical, work, social and personal. I start with the logistical here we wrote how easy to live in the city.
Mr. B: So yeah these are some kind of general characteristics about the city that gonna make living there easier or harder.
Jack: So the first item in this category is costs which are quite obvious because whenever I choose a base, cost always come first first in my mind.
Mr. B: Yeah I feel that's your main focal point when you're choosing a new base is that right?
Jack: Yeah of course anyone has to consider how much they have yes and how much they gonna pay yeah.
Mr. B: But it depends a little bit depending on how much money you have at hand but anyway yeah cost is quite straightforward here you should always see how expensive is the cost of living in the city and I guess most people would tend to prefer cheaper places right? I guess that explains some of the main digital nomad destinations.
Jack: True like most of the digital nomad destination in Southeast Asia or in South America.
Mr. B: Yes south central America.
Jack: Yeah.
Mr. B: It's cheaper places so many people go there. I guess it's one big factor.
Jack: Then to conclude this point we have two tools that can help you calculate the living cost of the city which are new Numbero dot com and expatism dot com.
They are linked in our show notes. So the next item is visa policy so with the passport I hold I know visa is a really really.
Mr. B: Big issue.
Jack: Annoying thing to deal with.
Mr. B: So in this last trip we did together. I didn't have to get a visa or only got one.
Jack: Ones he's only I think you only get one e-visa.
Mr. B: Yeah I mean but but that's something we will talk about . When I talk about the visa policy I am talking mostly about the visas in which you need to apply in an embassy. I think about like fifteen visas.
Jack: So well consider the arrival and the evisa
Mr. B: The ones that you had to apply in the embassy how many?
Jack: I think it's only five.
Mr. B: Anyway yeah.
Jack: This is.
Mr. B: Is that what many and they were complicated ones but anyway vis a policy here simply means you should research what is the visa policy of the country in which then you possible bases located. And again you should probably prefer countries that don't require you to have a visa. Maybe E-visas or visa on arrivals are kind of okay because they're not such a big you know hustle, but if you need to go to an embassy and apply and go through that whole process. I would say try to avoid those. Of course there are some cool countries that you need to have the visa but if you can avoid those try to do so.
Jack: All right speaking of the online resources we have. We have two website that helps you find out what kind of visa you need for your passport, the first one is the second one is passport index dot org. And again these are linked in our show notes.
Jack: Yes so the next item we got here is safety. I know safety is very important but this that important.
Mr. B: Yes so it depends let's put it that way so that default process here when a listed safety is the following. If you saying very little, very quickly in the in the place let's say you just staying for one or two weeks. I don't think safety is that important in the sense that you can be really attuned to the environment and really you know pay close attention to things and probably nothing bad will happen. But even if you're really street smart. It's something you always need to kind of keep the radar on the point I'm trying to make here is that if you're living in the place for a couple of months as digital nomads usually do when they stay in the base. You don't want to be constantly worrying about your safety. You know what I mean?
Jack: I have not live in any country that is infamous for criminal rates.
Mr. B: Yet you surely already passed by the already passed by certain places in Central Asia it's not that safe. But imagine if you were to leave there that's the point I'm trying to make you would be constantly on the lookout for things. And I I think you should always prefer bases where that's not really an issue that's the point I'm trying to make.
Jack: And there are two websites that help you find how safe a city is. One is vision of humanity dot org the other one is and the next item this English level of the city.
Mr. B: So yeah. Once again I think this is an item I don't think many digital nomads consider when they're selecting their bases but I think the level of English spoken in the bases are very crucial thing to to consider. I'm in of course there is a lot you can do with only basic communication. Especisally, if you think in more practical terms but this to me connecting with locals is kind of a big deal when you travel. I tend to prefer our bases with at least resemble English spoken. And a very important point here is actually that English level is not the same aross country specially if we're talking about big country right? So if you go to the capital usually you're gonna have a better English level so if we take for example China. The English leveling in Shang Hai and Beijing going to be drastically different. When compared to the small tier city in the countryside. And I I feel like if people don't speak English in the base in general you just gonna have a harder time being productive in your day to day life. And again a secure base that you want to try to be as productive as possible. If you're just going there for a few days perhaps that's not such a big issue right you you can go around doing the things and stuff like that of speaking broken English, but if you really staying there for a couple of months, I think that's one more thing to consider.
Jack: Okay so here's the the the famous website can help you find out the English level of each city you want to visit and the next item we got here is the weather so Mr B why weather is so important?
Mr. B: I mean that's common sense I guess even you can figure that out Jack.
Jack: It is it is I understand but I don't understand why it it is an item in the consideration.
Mr. B: I mean simply because you know you might I have an idea of going somewhere and you don't really consider the time of the year in which you're going there. And depending on the time of the year the weather might be drastically different so you might have an idea of you know let's say Canada you see the photos off the parks the national parks, and you want to camp there. And you don't realize that let's say you're from the south atmosphere you don't realize in the north atmosphere might be the winter when you're having the summer. And you get there it is going to be still so good luck with that. I mean it's nice to go today's no sometimes but I think the majority of the people the majority of the time they want to be in a place with more comfortable mild weather.
Jack: So seasonality is a big.
Mr. B: Yeah I mean consider the weather and more specifically the weather and the time in which you're going. So usually I shoot for places with weather between ten to thirty degrees Celsius and with little rain right?
Jack: Yep.
Mr. B: Yeah so check the weather and that's a crucial thing before you go to your base.
Jack: I see so do we have any resources for checking the weather.
Mr. B: So I think in terms of resources you can simply do a Google research I think that's already quite good you just type weather, name of the city, month by month and it should show the temperature and the rain. So you can use the website called weather-atlas dot com you can have a month by month's forecast of the weather.
Jack: So the weather's the last item of the category off logistical. The next category we have here is work and this is the aspect of how to deal with this the remote working aspect of digital nomads.

Mr. B: Yes so very social part of the whole criteria I would say.

Jack: Yeah of course you have to work.

Jack: The first item we have here is the internet speed.

Mr. B: Internet speed, something I I have noticed more and more people are kind of thinking about that before going to the destination especially because I feel like nowadays for certain types of job like uploading videos to YouTube or things like that you do need quite good internet. That's always something that's becoming more and more aparents on conversations when I talk to digital nomads and the basic idea here is that you should know the average internet speed in a country. You know the of course it is going to vary from place to place and there are hotels with really bad internet speed and hotels with amazing internet speeds. Same thing with coffee shops but countries tend to have either good internet speeds or bad internet speeds I would say and you should consider the type of work you do as a just said. So if you do something that is more video based work, maybe you need more internet but only if you work only with text perhaps you can get away with less. And some parts of the world that are quite famous for having slow internet is parts of Africa you know so many of my friends have been to Africa. And had to do something online they told me look it's extremely expensive because sometimes you got to pay extra to use it and it's so.

Jack: So good website to search for the internet speed of different cities is Norman list dot com so the next item and it's also at last item of the working category as coworking space so Mr. B have you been to one coworking space in base and how does it help you?

Mr. B: Yes so I've been to quite a few when I started my journey as a digital nomad I didn't really go to those places, especially to to save money and I thought these were overpriced. I believe after my third year, I started going and I really see the value in doing so because you know I think you really get more productive when you're there. I mean partly because you're paying for it and then you feel the kind of obligation to work. And also is a good place to meet other digital nomad right and I think a good metric to know if city we will have a lot of coworking spaces is if the city has a lot of digital nomads. Usually these two things goes hand in hand. You agree Jack?

Jack: Yes I agree I think if a country has, city has community here for digital nomads usually will try to create a space for coworking.

Mr. B: What was your favorite have you be in?

Jack: Actually I have been to only one the one in Chiang Mai.

Mr. B: But my favorite one was in Madrid.

Jack: I see yes sounds fabulous. So you do think co working spaces can help digital nomad with his productivity and his social life.

Mr. B: Yeah I do believe so. I mean it's this item in the criteria of course a little bit subjective because as you can imagine some people don't like to go to those places either because they think it's not worth the money or they feel less productive because they just wanna chat. But yeah I I I believe it's a good thing and also another way to assess if the city will have a lot of coworking spaces is to look at the sheer size of the city right? So big cities tend to offer more coworking space

Jack: You mean like the population of the city.

Mr. B: Yeah how big it is yeah.

Jack: I see. So the good website you told me about his coworker dot com yeah I never tried it but I trust your words. And yes so that's the end of the working category.

Mr. B: Yeah.

Jack: And the next is kind of similar to what we just said is the socializing.

Mr. B: Yeah.

Jack: Category for this bace selection and this is aspect is quite self-explanatory is how the the the things that deal with social life.

Mr. B: Of the digital nomad.

Jack: Yeah and the first item we got here is that we just mentioned the digital nomad community.

Mr. B: So yeah related to what I said I think you can assess the digital nomad community partially based on the number of coworking spaces so we can go both ways and again a little bit also subjective item some people really like to hang out with other digital nomads I personally like but I try to you know not restrict myself to those people. I think Jack don't generally hang out with them right.\?

Jack: No I don't

Mr. B: You.

Jack: I prefer to stay by myself.

Mr. B: Yes you stay more by yourself yeah but yeah if if you are into meeting people in the community then definitely you should check how big is the digital nomad community in the new possible base.

Mr. B: Yeah because it's just I feel it tends to be easier to make friends and business connections even because our people kind of living the same lifestyle as you are right? I think you should try more, Jack, you can meet some good people there.

Jack: So a good way to search about the digital meant community in the city is by Facebook group. You can check out how active is a group of people commenting on the group and how many members are in the group. So the next item we have here is friends i.e. do you have friends in the city?

Mr. B: Yeah so I mean friends here I think you can understand in very broad terms that it can be simply people you know doesn't need to be that close right? The idea here is that if you know people in the city you have I would say two main benefits: number one the person can probably help you when you're setting in which is a big help right? So like it can help you actually move in the place and show you around.

And this will cut your learning curve of how to go around the city quite a lot. Also another big benefit of having a friend in the city is that you're not going to need to spend that long building and you'll social circle in the new base. So we always advocate digital nomads to try to create some sort of social circle when they get to a new place but if you already know people there you can either hang out with them or have warm introductions by them.

Jack: Yeah I think having a friend in the city can always make your digital nomad life easier and even happier.

Mr. B: Yeah no doubt about it.

Jack: So the next time is a bit personal I would say.

Mr. B: Yeah.

Jack: It's about.

Mr. B: Definitely not for you right.

Jack: Yes it's not for me it's the the nightlife of the city.

Mr. B: Yeah.

Mr. B: M. yeah nightlife you can check how how vibrant how good is the night life in the city. In terms of course bars and clubs and if you are into that I think it's it's something quite important I I know quite a few people that that's a crucial part of the criteria for them it's a deal breaker if denied life is kind of dead. Just a key point here is that you should consider the seasons right so certain places the nightlife it's quiet good in some seasons like usually the summer but during the winter it's quite dead.

Jack: I see yeah my life is always important

Mr. B: I find a bit tricky to to give any resource for this one because you know you have this kind of rankings online but I never found a really reliable way to to assess the nightlife I guess the only way to do so would be to go on Google maps and write club or bar to see how many they are if they have a lot of reviews also you can ask on a digital nomad Facebook groups you can ask people if they think the nightlife there is good.

Jack: Yeah this is probably something more of a word of mouth thing.

Mr. B: Yeah something like that.

Jack: So the next item on this is dating life.

Mr. B: So yeah I'm in I guess this item is quite self explanatory and if you're single and you want to meet people it makes sense for you to have in mind the type of person you're likely to encounter in the new base.

Jack: I think you're right I think you should consider the dating aspect here when you travel especially when you're single. So that's the end of the socialize category the next category we have here is personal. This is the part of criteria that is related to personal preference.

Mr. B: Yes and some people I think would argue this is perhaps the most important category.

Jack: Yes it's quite important so the first item we have here is lifestyle.

Mr. B: Yes so lifestyle a broad term, but they general idea here is that you should consider which sort of lifestyle the new possible base can offer you. You should of course prefer places that do have compatible lifestyles to the ones you enjoy living . So for the sake of example I know this sounds a little bit fake let's say you are a big city kind of person it makes sense for you to look for new bases that can offer you that. So big cities the other hand if you are more of a nature or beach kind of person you should look for smaller cities probably around the coast. What what would you say is your personal preference here.

Jack: Personally I like city life I know some people really enjoy suburban life yeah but me I have to live and where everything is within the walking distance.

Mr. B: I noticed that how and when we travel together. I think we kind of enjoy the same lifestyle so we agree quite easily on the area in which to rent even though we don't agree on the cost of the accommodation of course.

Jack: Because living in the center of city is always kinda high cost.

Mr. B: Yeah you always want to pay less.

Jack: Yeah course. And Mr B. do you have any you know resources for the audience to check the lifestyle of the city .

Mr. B: yes again this is a bit tricky I don't think lifestyle is very much objective concept therefore I feel there is a little bit of guessing.

Jack: So.

Mr. B: You you can be a little bit about the city watch a couple videos on YouTube. And you got a second guess if that fits your personal preference.

Jack: Yeah I do agree is that whenever you do base selection this always bit of guessing.

Mr. B: Yeah and that is like everything here you you never know for sure a lot of the things you might be research one way you might think the base is going to be like that and you get there and certain things are drastically different.

Jack: Yeah so the next item here is interest in the country.

Mr. B: Very very important item and kind of common sense at the same time I feel many digital nomads forget that once in a while the idea is that you should probably be living and having bases on places that you have some sort of interest in the country culture or anything to be honest about the country. If you start to leave this digital nomad lifestyle some people get caught up on this idea that they need to be constantly moving and sometimes they just moved to a place they're not that interested just because they need to move. You know what I mean? They need to check one more.

Jack: Place checking the box. I've been to this many countries life yeah.

Mr. B: But even though I do think that sometimes you should just try out even though you don't have that high expectations in the country the majority of the time you should go to places where you have an interest. And it's easy I would say for you to forget the initial purpose that you became a digital nomad so...

Jack: Yeah you wanna see more thing yeah.

Mr. B: You don't want to live you want to leave in a place that allow you to be productive, but at the same time your traveler so you got a care where you going.

Jack: Yes I do agree with you so I think that concludes the whole bace selection process.

Mr. B: That's yet that's pretty much it so this is as you said there quite a long list in terms of the criteria for helping you to select a good place to be your next digital nomad base and a lot of personal preference and subjective options here. All of the items are not presented in a hierarchical order but I think it's a good kind of reference list.

Jack: Yeah I do agree with that say whatever you want to select a base yeah that's a good thing just to check out what is there to think about yeah

Mr. B: Yet and compare more than onc so get a couple cities that you are considering and compare and contrast. these different factors with one another and settle for the one that is good enough.

Jack: Yeah we have to stress again there's no a city that perfectly fits all the criteria. So if you enjoyed this episode please make sure to leave a review and the comment on the platform you're listening. And if you want to follow us you can find us on the social medias like Facebook Twitter and Instagram finally if you won the show notes which is a detailed explanation of this episode.

Mr. B: As well as all the resources of the websites we talked about today.

Jack: Exactly you can go on the website know when tactics dot com and the links in the description.

Mr. B: Thank you very much.

Jack: Thank you.

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